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What’s really stopping your team from being more innovative, and how do you fix it? In this episode, Bill is ed by Dr. Diane Hamilton, author of Cracking the Curiosity Code, to explore why curiosity, not just intelligence or skills, is the real key for innovation, engagement, and performance. Together, they dig into the hidden habits that stifle curiosity in leaders and teams, and how to cultivate a culture that asks better questions and solves better problems. Dr. Diane Hamilton is a behavioral expert, researcher, and speaker whose groundbreaking work on curiosity has helped transform how companies approach culture, communication, and leadership. She’s the creator of the Curiosity Code Index and a leading voice on the future of work. Topics explored in this episode: (05:10) The Curiosity Crisis *Why curiosity declines as we age *How lack of curiosity hurts innovation at work *The four fear-based factors that suppress curiosity: fear, assumptions, tech, and environment (12:50) Formula 1 Efficiency vs. Hospital Mismanagement *What happens when you bring in outside perspectives to improve your broken systems  *How far would people go to blindly follow rules?  (16:50) How Leaders Kill Curiosity *Common leadership habits that discourage curiosity without realizing it *The difference between curiosity and chaos: structure still matters (31:30) Can Curiosity Be Measured? *There is science behind measuring curiosity with the Curiosity Code Index (35:10) Coaching Curiosity into Leadership *Practical ways to coach and develop more curious thinking *The link between curiosity and emotional intelligence (40:50) The ROI of Curiosity *Curiosity isn’t just nice to have, it brings in real revenue growth. Thanks to Dr. Diane Hamilton for being on the show! Connect with Diane on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drdianehamilton Learn more about her work: https://drdianehamilton.com Get her book: Cracking the Curiosity Code – https://drdianehamilton.com/cracking-the-curiosity-code-book Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.   Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.  Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/

What if scaling didn’t have to come at the cost of your health, your family, or your sanity? In this episode, Bill challenges the common held belief that sacrifice is a rite of age in entrepreneurship, especially during the growth phase. He shares the story of a tech CEO building a $200M company and outlines a four-part framework for scaling your business while also building a life you love. Spoiler: It's not about working harder. It's about rethinking your approach. Topics explored in this episode: (0:26) Can You Really Have It All?  *A thriving business and a healthy life are not mutually exclusive. *The story of a CEO who’s grown a $200M company while staying balanced and grounded. (2:30) Four Steps to Scale Better Set a BHAG (Big Hairy Audacious Goal): Anchor your strategy in a long-term, purpose-driven outcome. Invest in People & Culture: Hire well, coach continuously, and create strong values-based ability. Execute with Rhythm: Align priorities, metrics, and meetings to stay focused and effective. Get a Life: Create time for family, health, and the things you love. (7:50) You’re Not Supposed to Work 1,000x Harder *The CEO of a billion-dollar company doesn’t work 1,000 times more than you, they have to work differently. *Scaling means evolving how you lead, not just doing more. (9:40) What’s The First Step?  *What do you need to redesign first? *Who can help you shift your leadership style and strategy? Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.   Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.  Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall 

What if the most powerful move you could make as a founder is to stop being the one doing it all? Today’s episode explores the mindset shift that turns your business from a job into a scalable, valuable system. Bill is ed by legendary entrepreneur and author Michael E. Gerber to discuss why strategically working on the business, not in it, is the single most important shift a founder can make. From deg scripts to building systems that run without you, Michael shares what it truly means to scale with intention. Michael E. Gerber is the author of the best-selling E-Myth Revisited and with over 28 other books, Michael has spent decades helping entrepreneurs turn chaos into structure and systems. His latest creation is The Dreaming Room, an immersive experience designed to help business owners redefine their business vision and create a roap for success. Topics explored in this episode: (02:45) The Origin of the E-Myth *How a chance encounter led Michael to uncover the hidden flaw in small businesses. (08:05) Systems Are the Brand *Why the DNA of a brand lives in its systems and not in its logo or marketing. (11:45) From Script to Soul *How do you express the same message over and over with intention and ion? (14:15) Why McDonald’s Gets It *What entrepreneurs can learn from Founder Ray Kroc about scaling through consistency. (18:20) Sarah’s Pie Shop and the Power of Working On It *An impactful story about a small business owner’s transformation from technician to entrepreneur. (27:40) The Dreaming Room and the Eightfold Path *The dreamer, the thinker, the storyteller, the leader, the designer, the builder, the launcher, and the grower. (31:25) The Business Is the Product *Don’t let the business become your boss. *You have to create something of value in your business, or else you will go out of business. *Most Small businesses are doing the wrong type of work. (40:45) From NuCo to Scale *Why scaling means letting go of “OldCo” and creating something that lives beyond you. Thanks to Michael E. Gerber for being on the show! Learn more about The Dreaming Room: https://www.michaelegerbercompanies.com Michael directly: [email protected] Connect with Michael on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelegerber Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.   Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.  Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/

What if your addiction to hustle is the very thing holding your business back? In this episode, Bill unpacks the hidden addiction that plagues so many leaders: the need to feel busy. He explores how overworking, micromanaging, and always being “on” isn’t just unsustainable, but also a failure of effective leadership. Bill shares powerful stories of CEOs who broke the cycle and built stronger teams by stepping back, letting go, and empowering others to rise up to the occasion.  Topics explored in this episode: (0:10) The Hidden Costs of Busyness *Being constantly busy feels productive, but it's actually a trap. *Imagine a world where you could step back and things don’t fall apart. (1:00) Case Study of a Fitness CEO *A thriving business, healthy personal life, and empowered team; you can do it all by doing less. *Why nudging, not rescuing, is the key to ability and performance. (3:15) The Output is More Important Than ‘Busy’ *Entrepreneurs love to glamorize their busyness, but true effectiveness is about results generated.  (5:35) Let’s Take the Summer Off! *Bill shares a story of how he restructured his company so he could take a month off and finally…relax!  (6:15) Building a Team That Thinks for Itself *Practical strategies for creating team ownership, like asking instead of solving. *Stop solving problems for other people.  *Train yourself out of the ‘fixer’ role.  (8:10) From Founder to Scaler *You can grow a business that thrives without you—and one you’re proud to sell (or keep). Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.   Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.  Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/

How can leaders connect their personal purpose with their company's mission? In today’s episode, Bill talks with leadership coach Ben Renshaw about the importance of discovering your personal why. They also discuss how aligning personal and company purposes can lead to more meaningful leadership and a positive work environment. Ben Renshaw is a former classical violinist turned leadership coach who’s all about helping people find what truly lights them up. He’s worked with top global brands and execs, all while keeping his focus on one big question: what’s your why? Topics explored in this episode:  (1:11) Discovering Your Why - Ben shares his journey from classical music to personal development. - Co-founded The Happiness Project in the skeptical UK of the 1990s. (7:45) Building Real Connection - Ben reflects on how different cultures respond to emotional authenticity. - How a company’s purpose can cascade into personal leadership development. (14:21) Transforming Leaders from the Inside Out - A reluctant CFO discovers his purpose and transforms into a CEO. - Tools like personal dashboards help measure purpose in action. (23:44) Scaling Purpose  - Purpose isn't just personal—it can energize entire organizations. - Meaningful work improves performance and employee engagement. (35:51) Deg Purposeful Cultures - The ripple effect of purpose touches supply chains, governance, and government policy. - Purposeful companies create traditions and symbols that inspire the next generation. Thanks to Ben Renshaw for being on the show!  Connect with Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-renshaw/  Learn more about Ben: https://www.benrenshaw.com  Get Ben’s book, How to be a CEO: https://amzn.to/42xlLxJ  Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/ 

What if your relentless hard work is actually costing your business more than it’s helping? In this episode, Bill explores the hidden costs of overwork, particularly when leaders confuse effort with effectiveness. He shares a cautionary tale of a CEO who pushed too hard, micromanaged excessively, and ultimately failed—highlighting how unchecked hustle undermines both personal well-being and team performance.  Topics explored in this episode:  (0:42) The Hidden Price of Hustle * Overwork has obvious personal costs, but its impact on the business is often overlooked. (2:40) The CEO Who Couldn’t Let Go * The story of a SaaS CEO who tried to control every part of the company, despite lacking expertise in many areas. * A promising company failed due to leadership that was anxious and overreaching. (5:27) From Hero to Enabler * True success comes not from doing everything, but from rallying a capable team. (6:38) The Real Cost of Doing It All * Personal sacrifices become habitual and ultimately unsustainable. * Overworking leaders limit their organization’s potential by suppressing ownership and innovation. (8:30) Redeg Leadership for Scale * Leaders who are central to every decision become bottlenecks. * Overworking doesn’t inspire teams—it demoralizes them. * Evolving leadership is the key to scaling without personal burnout. Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/

How can leaders create social contracts that foster true team ability and shared success? In this episode, Bill and guest Keith Ferrazzi explore the importance of moving beyond traditional leadership towards a model of “teamship,” where teams hold themselves and each other able. Keith also shares insights about the power of vulnerability and candor, and practical exercises like the “stress test” to build high-performing teams.  Keith Ferrazzi is a powerhouse thought leader and author who’s redefining how we connect and collaborate. His latest book is Never Lead Alone. Topics explored in this episode:  (02:27) From Networking to Vulnerability * Vulnerability is the key to authentic relationships—even in business settings. (06:08) Building Co-Elevating Teams * The goal is not just psychological safety, but teams that push each other to succeed. (10:37) Practices That Change Culture * Teams need a social contract and regular “stress tests” to challenge each other productively. * Keith’s early exposure to empowered teams in manufacturing shaped his view of leadership. * Siloed work structures limit innovation and responsiveness in today’s fast-paced world. (20:53) Candor with Comion * Candor must serve others’ success, not be used as a blunt instrument. (34:29) Redeg Work in an AI World * Keith advocates for rethinking workflows from the ground up—not just slapping AI on top. Thanks to Keith Ferrazzi for being on the show!  Learn more about Keith: http://keithferrazzi.com Get Keith’s book: Never Lead Alone: 10 Shifts from Leadership to Teamship: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063412578/  Connect with Keith on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keithferrazzi/  Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/ 

What are the hidden costs of micromanaging and overworking on team morale and business outcomes? This episode explores the main reasons why leaders often work too hard, including lack of trust, fear of failure, ego, habit, and being too busy to delegate. Bill argues that overworking is not a badge of honor but rather a sign of inadequate team building.  Topics explored in this episode:  (0:26) A Case Study in Micromanagement * A new CEO's micromanaging during a company sale led to longer transition times and negative impacts on team morale.  (2:54) The Five Reasons Why Leaders Overwork * The five main reasons include lack of trust/perfectionism, fear of failure, ego/hero syndrome, habit (founder syndrome), and—you’ll have to listen to or watch the episode to find out the fifth!  * Ego can drive leaders to seek out crises in which they can be the hero.    (6:59) The Impact of Overworking * Why overworking indicates a failure to build and empower a team.  (8:22) Shifting Your Mindset * Identifying the reasons for overworking is the first step toward changing those behaviors.  (9:26) Creating a New “Why” * Leaders can invent a new "why" to motivate themselves to adopt healthier work habits.  * Coaching can help leaders shift their mindset and behaviors to build stronger teams and scale effectively. Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/ 

What does it really mean for people to feel like they matter in the workplace? In this episode, Zach Mercurio unpacks why mattering is the missing piece in most workplace cultures and how leaders can foster it. He also explores how a sense of value and contribution drives engagement, innovation, and retention.  Zach is on a mission to make work and life more meaningful. As an author, researcher, and speaker, he helps leaders create environments where people feel valued.  Topics explored in this episode:  (02:15) The Science of Mattering * How mattering influences employee performance and well-being. * Why recognition alone isn’t enough to make people feel valued. (10:40) Workplace Disconnection * The hidden costs of employees feeling like they don’t matter. (18:55) The Role of Leaders in Creating Mattering * Mattering shouldn’t be just an HR initiative—it’s a leadership responsibility. (28:30) Purpose vs. Mattering * Why having a sense of mattering is more foundational than purpose. * Case studies of companies that have built cultures of mattering. (47:20) Building a Mattering-Centric Culture * The three key components of a workplace where people feel they matter. Thanks to Zach Mercurio for being on the show!  Learn more about Zach: https://www.zachmercurio.com/ Get Zach’s book: The Power of Mattering: How Leaders Can Create a Culture of Significance: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D8XMWCLJ  Connect with Zach on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachmercurio  Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/ 

What leadership habits can help your team take more ownership and solve their own problems? In other words, how can you step back in a way that actually makes your business stronger? In this episode, Bill challenges the hustle culture myth and shares how stepping back, empowering your team, and embracing balance can actually strengthen your company. Topics explored in this episode:  (00:16) The Myth of Hustle Culture * The real cost of hustle culture and why it can harm your company. * Bill’s story of taking a month-long family trip to Italy while his business thrived. (01:51) Leadership That Empowers, Not Micromanages * The power of asking the right questions instead of providing immediate answers. (04:17) Making Work More Fun  * The benefits of hobbies and interests outside of work. * How compartmentalizing time helps maintain balance. (06:23) Embracing Challenges Without Unnecessary Suffering * The key difference between unavoidable problems and optional suffering. * Shifting your mindset to tackle obstacles without burnout. (09:25) The Power of and Coaching * Why you don’t have to figure everything out alone. * Why being coachable and seeking is key to sustainable success. Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/ 

How can anyone, regardless of their background, develop lasting confidence? Confidence isn’t something you’re born with—it’s a skill you build, and Dr. Nate Zinsser has spent his career helping elite athletes, military leaders, and business professionals master it. In this episode, he shares lessons from his work with NFL star Eli Manning, Olympic athletes, and West Point cadets, revealing how anyone can develop unshakable self-belief. Dr. Nate Zinsser is a mental performance coach, author The Confident Mind, and a longtime director at West Point’s Performance Psychology Program.  Topics explored in this episode:  (02:00) The Foundation of Confidence - Why some people embrace coaching while others resist it. (10:30) The Making of a Performance Psychologist - How wrestling and martial arts shaped Nate’s approach to confidence. (20:45) Training the Mind  - How the military and top athletes develop mental resilience. - The story of Olympic bobsledder Jill Bakken and her confidence breakthrough. (30:20) The Eli Manning Mindset Shift - How Eli Manning transformed from an uncertain quarterback to a Super Bowl MVP. - The specific mental habits that made him a clutch performer. - Why reframing struggles can lead to a breakthrough. - The bus driver lesson: Changing your mind to change your day. Thanks to Dr. Nate Zinsser for being on the show!  Learn more about Nate on https://www.natezinsser.com and  https://www.linkedin.com/in/nate-zinsser-35349010/  Get Nate’s book, The Confident Mind: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1847942946/  Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com 

What are the two most important factors for scaling a business? Scaling a business comes down to two key elements: focus and differentiation. Companies that maintain a clear customer and product focus while emphasizing what sets them apart are more likely to achieve sustainable growth.  Topics Bill explores in this episode:  (0:30) Two Critical Factors - The importance of focus and differentiation in scaling a business.     (4:47) Identifying Your Ideal Customer and Maintaining Focus - Focusing on one primary customer type, even for large companies.     - The importance of staying in your lane and not deviating from your focus.     (5:59) Focusing on Core Products and Services - The example of Steve Jobs' return to Apple and his focus on a simplified product matrix.     - Identifying and focusing on the profitable, growth-oriented parts of your business.     (7:15) Differentiating Your Business from Competitors - Identifying your unique value proposition.     - Not trying to be everything to everyone and instead focusing on your strengths.     - Utilizing AI to analyze your company and competitors.     - Gathering from new employees, applicants, and customers to identify your differentiation.     - Using customer language to articulate your differentiation. Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com 

What are some practical ways that businesses can optimize their operations with AI? Scaling a business is tough, but scaling by 300% while dealing with fraud and financial chaos is next-level challenging. In this episode, Gerard Murtagh shares how AI helped his company, MouldMen, navigate rapid growth, uncover fraud, and optimize operations. This conversation is packed with real-world AI applications, leadership lessons, and practical strategies for business owners looking to stay ahead. Gerard Murtagh doesn’t do business the conventional way. From launching his first venture at 17 to flying across the world to learn mold remediation firsthand, he’s built his success on innovation, grit, and a whole lot of AI-powered problem-solving. Topics explored in this episode:  (2:00) The Unexpected Crisis * Gerard discovers a staggering $1.4M in fraud and financial mismanagement. (10:54) Turning to AI for Answers * Using AI to analyze company financials and expose fraudulent expenses. * Early AI wins convince Gerard to dig deeper into automation. (19:23) Scaling Smarter with AI * Using AI to replace manual processes while increasing efficiency. (32:14) Overcoming Resistance to AI * Working with employees who initially push back against automation, fearing job losses. * A structured approach to AI integration.  (49:41) The Future of AI in Business * Why business owners should consider building a “data lake.” * How AI will reshape customer interactions, from service to sales. Thanks to Gerard Murtagh for being on the show!  Learn more about Gerard: https://www.gerardmurtagh.com/bio  Connect with Gerard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerardmurtagh/  Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com 

When growing your business, how can you differentiate between good advice and bad advice? In this episode, Bill shares a personal story about taking bad advice that cost him millions. He also explores the importance of timing when raising capital and the difference between surface-level advice and experience-based guidance.  Topics explored in this episode:  - Why a “good story” is an opportune time to bring in investors or partners. - The danger of waiting too long to reach revenue milestones before seeking investment. - How greed and the desire for control can cloud business judgment. - Questioning an advisor’s experience behind their recommendations. - How confirmation bias can lead you to seek advice that validates your preferences. Chapters in this episode:  (00:20) The Danger of Bad Advice  (03:45) The Costly Decision to Wait for a Revenue Milestone (05:32) Missing the Perfect Timing to Raise Capital (07:04) Aligning with Company Values and Goals (08:11) Learning to Probe for Experience Behind Advice Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com 

How did Eugene Tutunikov grow SwissWatchExpo from a local storefront to a $90M+ e-commerce business? In this episode, Bill talks with the CEO of SwissWatchExpo, a retailer of certified authentic luxury Swiss watches, about how he scaled his family business. Eugene shares insights on the importance of timing, customer experience, and focusing on sustainable growth. The conversation dives into lessons learned from pivoting careers, working with family, and navigating market disruptions. Eugene Tutunikov (pronounced “Too-Too-Nikoff”) is a former Wall Street pro who traded spreadsheets for Swiss watches.  Topics explored in this episode:  - The pivotal role of timing in scaling a luxury e-commerce business. - Offering a personalized, video-based shopping experience. - Building trust through in-house authentication and servicing of watches. - Why compounding growth is more sustainable than hyper-growth. - The impact of super-fake watches on the luxury market and how SwissWatchExpo counters it. - Why focusing on one business model can lead to stronger, long-term success. Chapters in this episode:  (01:23) Eugene's Journey from Wall Street to Watches (09:55) The Immigrant Experience and the American Dream (15:19) Lucky Breaks  (23:06) Standing Out in a Competitive Market (29:05) Trends in Luxury Watches (34:49) Advice for Scaling Up Thanks to Eugene Tutunikov for being on the show!  Connect with Eugene on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eugenetutunikov/  Learn more about the Swiss Watch Expo: http://Swisswatchexpo.com  Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com 

What are the essential elements of an effective morning routine for executives, entrepreneurs, and business owners? In this episode, Bill breaks down the elements of a powerful morning routine for business professionals. He shares his personal approach to starting the day with mindfulness, gratitude, reading, and planning, while emphasizing the importance of flexibility.  Topics explored in this episode:  - Creating a morning routine that aligns with your natural rhythm. - Why flexibility in your morning routine leads to better long-term success. - The role of gratitude and mindfulness in setting a positive tone for the day. - How reading and "grazing" on diverse topics can spark creativity and fresh ideas. - The impact of nighttime preparation on a smooth, productive morning. - The importance of balancing productivity with relaxation, such as incorporating a hot tub ritual. - Why a great morning routine isn’t about copying someone else’s formula. Chapters in this episode:  (02:30) Why Every CEO Needs a Personalized Morning Routine (04:44) The Power of Gratitude, Mindfulness, and Self-Awareness (05:50) Reading and Grazing (09:25) Planning and Looking Ahead Before the Workday Begins (09:53) Balancing Structure and Flexibility in Your Routine (13:59) Creating a Routine That Works for You Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com

Why do visionary entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk need strong operational counterparts like Tim Cook and Gwynne Shotwell?  Successful businesses don’t just need visionaries. They need strong operational leaders to turn big ideas into reality. This episode highlights the crucial roles of Tim Cook at Apple and Gwynne Shotwell at SpaceX—leaders who ensured consistent execution behind the scenes.  Topics explored in this episode:  - The myth that a single visionary leader drives business success—why execution matters just as much. - How Steve Jobs relied on Tim Cook to scale Apple into a global powerhouse. -  The critical role Gwynne Shotwell plays in running SpaceX while Elon Musk drives innovation. - Characteristics of great second-in-command leaders: consistency, reliability, and people management. - Why hiring a COO or operational leader is not about cloning the CEO but complementing them. - The risks of hiring externally vs. developing leadership talent from within the company. - Strategies for gradually transitioning a new COO into their leadership role. Chapters in this episode: (02:36) Why Musk & Jobs Needed Their Right-Hand Leaders (04:23) Tim Cook & Gwynne Shotwell (06:59) The Key Traits of an Effective Second-in-Command (09:07) Hiring vs. Developing Leadership Talent Internally (12:11) Common Pitfalls in Hiring a COO (13:33) Strong Operational Leaders Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com 

How can teachers bring their unique styles and ions into the classroom while staying effective? In this episode, Jeff Gargas shares his unexpected journey from musician and college dropout to education innovator. Host Bill Gallagher and Jeff explore the intersections of creativity, resilience, and education, with a focus on engaging audiences and scaling impactful solutions.  Jeff Gargas is a four-time college dropout who turned his love of music and creative energy into a thriving career in education. As the co-founder of Teach Better, Jeff helps educators across the country improve their craft with ion, flexibility, and a touch of rock ‘n’ roll flair. Topics explored in this episode:  - Jeff’s journey from being a record label owner to co-founding Teach Better. - Engaging students by capturing their interest right from the start. - How a mastery learning framework empowers teachers to adapt to their unique classrooms. - The challenges of scaling a business, from cash flow issues to team adjustments. - The value of keeping profits in the business. - The buying cycles and funding structures of educational institutions. - The parallels between creating music and fostering creativity in teaching. Chapters in this episode:  (02:30) Jeff Gargas: From College Dropout to Education Innovator (05:58) Creativity and Collaboration (12:49) Engaging Students Effectively (19:25) Adaptability in Business and Education (27:22) Founding Teach Better  (32:38) Challenges in Scaling: Cash Flow and Team Growth (40:52) Resilience and Building Systems Thanks to Jeff Gargas for being on the show!  Connect with Jeff on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffgargas/overlay/photo/  Learn more about Teach Better’s community for EDUcreators, educators who create things outside their classrooms: www.teachbetter.com/educreators  Get Teach Better, a book co-authored by Jeff: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y5RZ5RX  Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com

“What is the lesson you want to teach our kids?” “Who do you want to be for our kids?” My wife asked me these questions during a particularly stressful time in my career. They grounded me. Refocused me. Made me prioritize what kind of person—both a dad and a business owner—I wanted to be.  In this episode, I explore the following lesson: honesty and vulnerability in leadership can be far stronger than having specific business plans.  Topics explored in this episode:  - The emotional toll of leading a business through financial uncertainty. - How a ive family dynamic can provide clarity and motivation. - Asking for help and involving others in problem-solving. - Why vulnerability and honesty strengthen leadership. - How to inspire loyalty and commitment from a team during tough times. - Parents teaching resilience and determination to our children. (00:00) Bill’s Personal Story of Challenge (02:13) Facing the Fear of Losing Everything (03:10) A Heartfelt Conversation with My Wife (04:42) Asking for Help (05:56) Rallying the Team with Honesty and Vulnerability (06:29) Courage and Teamwork Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com

What can business leaders learn from the best sports teams that have had success for decades? In this episode, Sam Walker s host Bill Gallagher to discuss the leadership secrets of the world’s most successful sports teams. From the unassuming captains who drive dynasties to the cultural pillars that make teams legendary, Sam shares powerful insights for business leaders.  Sam Walker is the guy who cracked the code on what makes great teams tick. As a former global sports editor at The Wall Street Journal and author of the bestselling book The Captain Class, Sam’s obsession with leadership and teamwork has taken him into locker rooms, boardrooms, and beyond. Topics explored in this episode:  - The surprising importance of unassuming captains in driving team success. - Why Michael Jordan’s leadership wasn’t the key to the Chicago Bulls’ dynasty. - How a culture of winning defines teams like the New Zealand All Blacks. - Lessons from the 2004 Red Sox and their dramatic midseason turnaround. - Why team success often depends on "invisible" leadership work behind the scenes. - The value of dissent and conflict in building a strong team culture. - How Ted Lasso humorously portrays key lessons about leadership and team dynamics. - Why great leaders prioritize collective success over personal recognition. - The Cuban women’s volleyball team’s dominance and their innovative approach to practice. Chapters in this episode:  (02:20) Meet Sam Walker (05:10) The Role of Captains in Sustained Success (09:50) Bill Cartwright and the Chicago Bulls (15:00) The 2004 Red Sox Story (19:45) The New Zealand All Blacks (27:50) The Cuban Women’s Volleyball Team (40:06) Leadership Lessons from Ted Lasso Thanks to Sam Walker for being on the show!  Sam will be the keynote speaker at our SCALING UP LIVE event on June 10-12, 2025 in Denver, Colorado: https://chiefexecutive.net/scaling-up/  Connect with Sam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-walker-captain-class/  Learn more about Sam: https://www.bysamwalker.com/  Get Sam’s book, The Captain Class: The Hidden Force That Creates the World's Greatest Teams: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0812997190  Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.  Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop  Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall Bill on YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/@BillGallagherScalingCoach  Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth.    Did you enjoy today’s episode? If so, then please leave a review! Help other business leaders discover Scaling Up Business with Bill Gallagher so they, too, can benefit from the ideas shared in these podcasts. Subscribe via Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PGhWPJ Subscribe via Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PKe00u Bill on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/billgall/  Bill on Twitter/X: https://x.com/billgall  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com